Friday, July 20, 2012

Loyalty.. to who?

We wish to thank all our supporters and fellow Dobermann lovers


Your various comments and remarks of support and solidarity with us is very encouraging. We have to make some small comments on this shameful action of the DV President's soldiers.



It is very unprofessional and immature to have the names of people who did not sign the list themselves. Indeed, there are even fake names there [ a cartoon character for example ] and also entire families are inside, even if they are unaware. We know certain honorable people wont be placing their names there, such as a respected young Italian judge and also some German DV members. This is truly shameful and we believe - even illegal. This is how low the DV has become.



What loyalty are these people professing? To the breed's decline and the comedy of its 'leaders'? Have they even seriously looked at the mirror, after the past 38 years or even IDC 2011? What rewards are they expecting?

Or more seriously.. are most of these people there because of pressure and threats? This also seems likely as we have been informed by other DV members.

Perhaps one day they will make the same excuses used before in Nuremberg 1945... "I was only following orders"

The list is one of opportunists, the ignorant and those seeking favors. This is how a tyranny and dictatorship works. There is no freedom of thought allowed for these sheep of the President.

And remarkably, it is missing several respected breeders, trainers, enthusiasts, and also from the various important nations of the Dobermann world. We thank these people who have integrity, honor and self respect.

Gets heavy for the listed people...
President Wiblishauser and the DV... do you all not have anything better to do? You have actually made us more popular and the majority has given more support to us. Does this not tell you anything? Stop hiding behind your poor and sad members. Your efforts can be better spent on helping the breed and learning what is honor, fair-play and honesty.

42 comments:

  1. Thank you Insider. You have more loyal supporters for sure. What they have done by having that List is just shameful and shows everyone who is looking for good results and cups.I think in IDC we will see the rewards given to them.

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  2. dear wibli. do not worry. you and your slaves are save. you can continue doing with your cheating​​. nothing can happen to you. yours opponent just talk, but they do nothing other. everything just great orator, but no did do. not even a dialogue, to rescue the breed, I could start in dobermannforum.com. So wibli, do not fret over the few whiners. YOU ARE THE WINNER !!

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  3. And you are stupid enough to belive that your little forum is the center of the world.
    You have no reputation and no clue.
    To dicuss with you will solve nothing. You are not even able to tell what your experiences with dobermanns are. You are nothing more than a free rider and this is not less disgusting as Wibli is.
    So go on with your self-entertainment at your forum and leafe the serious people alone.

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  4. I guess serious people like you sign in Wibler's List :)

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  5. I try something to improve. what are you doing? I mean, other things than whining anonymously. and as long as I support my friends in the sport. you can see in dobermannforum.com , sport rubric link to the videos. first small successes.

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  6. Success?
    This bitch is indeed well trained, but comes from a compound with a sick dog. Looks like your improvement?

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  7. I think a doberman on working dog regional championship second space very well. or can you see there many doberman? how ill connection? Both parents are healthy. father 8 years. earlier had thyroid problem. No medicine consumption since 2 years. mother 7 years healthy. No results for both dcm.
    do you need a sick dog? no problem. many breeder's, breed without health testing. Wibli can give you a tip.

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  8. Wow!!!
    A medical sensation!
    Or did he switch from hypothyroism to hyperthyroism?
    Questions over questions.

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  9. can we finding a 100% healthy doberman? over 60% dcm and then the whole other illnesses. mathematical, barely a chance to find a really healthy dog, or??

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  10. the dog owner can do nothing for health. it is the duty of the grower and the person responsible for the control of breeding.rvoldw

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  11. Yes. So how are you going to do better?

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  12. A dialog? But there are also. And free ;-)
    and a new club? what then? The population remains the same.
    The greed of the people, too.
    What do I do? I've lost hope.

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  13. I'm not a fan of Wiblishauser and his gang. But who should do it? And who should pay for this? The people who live on the breed? Never ... the end is near. As sad as it is. The dialogue is much too late.

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  14. Tacheles Mr. Hohl:
    It is you that whines all the time here. Alone I can do nothing, I want to save the breed but nobody wants to talk with me, the dog owner can do nothing for health, please, please, please join my forum and so on.
    I will tell you why it is as it is.
    You support a BYB. No health reports of both dogs are published but you say both are healthy. Regarding the male, this is a lie. Both dogs no ZTP, the bitch no working title. Your fried breed the dogs twice, knowingly that the male suffers on hypothyorism. Yor friend is very economical. Typical BYB. He bred the dogs that he ownes accidentally without pedigree. No travel costs, no studfees no money for paperwork, breedwarden and so on.
    You say that a futur dobermann owner can do nothing for the health of the breed. Very wrong, If the buyers ask for health-records. No records, no business. It is just simple.
    You find excuses for your friends breeding. One can find barely a healthy dog.
    Your friend did not even try. It was obvious hat he wanted to breed HIS dogs below the DV standards.
    You come here and will be saver of the breed. Very ineresting!
    Once again. You are a freerider without reputation and without clue.
    Why should one support you? This would be like out of the rain into the pool.

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  15. Madness of Munich? It is not only Munich. It is the breeding worldwide. Look at the breeding on the Balkans, or Europe. Monotone pedigree, fall sick dog at an early age, unsuited to large dog for the job. You want to change that? How?

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  16. Your friend did not choose, he took what he has. I have heared many times that ZTP is shit. Always from those that have none.
    There are no health records of the dogs published. So one can belive this or not. The mother of the male had DCM and was put down because of cancer. His father was put down because of cancer too.
    No hip-results kown of both. I do not want to go deeper. Is this your kind of smallest evil?

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  17. Unfortunately your friend is not one of these breeders. And now all others are guilty?
    You are not honest, have no reputation and no clue but try freeriding on this blog.
    You are only interested in € 10-30 each month. Go get a job.

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  18. A good concept? How it looks

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  19. That is no answer to my question. Why not discuss here? So, how is the concept?

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  20. Thank you DV!
    The list is a big favour for us. . Now we know with whome we need to be careful.

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  21. He did say what his concept is. He want to collect money but the work should be done by others.

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  22. 50% of the year is over and the highllite event IDC 2012 is around the bend, we have all witnessed some spectacular and highly specialized judging this year with curve balls thrown and now have Maxim as WW2012 and Ben Hur as AIAD2012. 2 dogs at the opposite end of each side of the scale? Who is going to be Sieger/Siegerin IDC2012?????
    DI we commend you for exposing the thugs and corruption! Here is a challenge to you and the blog readers. DI must start a "virtual betting" on the IDC2012 Siegers and major class final 4's. It's nomination time. Let the games begin.

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  23. @dobermann-verein-ev.de

    Look, nobody bloody cares about your idiotic comments. You are just a leech trying to scratch off some fame from this blog, while in reality you are nothing but pathetic small cock, so why don't you sod off?!

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  24. robbert van venrooijJuly 28, 2012 at 7:31 AM

    The discusion is going nowhere and the word use isn't going to help either.
    I don't know the rules but how is it possible that a president is there for 30 years , you all say corruption etc. There has to come new people or even better old people from the past to come back. The start is to get wiblishauser out with legal action. Or if it is not possible at all that very experienced people start a totally new dobermann club.....................but in clubs it is never possible to keep everybody happy there will always be like and dislike of situations and people or judges. But do respect each other try to be above personal attacks and bad words at all time.

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  25. Very well said Robbert. We need more people like you.

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  26. Well said Robbert!
    I think the dobermanncommunity is to small that it would run good with a new club. The change must come from inside of the DV. Becht may win the first election with Wiblis help. But I think, that he will not win another one.
    Then hopefully, the members of the DV will be adult enough, to find a 1. chairmen that will fit with these days and that initiates together with the members a reformation of the club and its rules.

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  27. So now the DV has shown to the world how small minded they are, and truly not deserving to lead the Dobermann race. I am sure this IDC will also display more of the people in the list.

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  28. IT IS QUITE INTERESTING THAT HANS WIBLISHAUSER DID NOT SIGN THAT "LOYALTY LIST"!!!

    Does that effectively mean that all those people are actually loyal to HIM (so it would look kinda stupid for him to be loyal to himself), or to DV club. Or...is this the proper way to put it: DV = WIBLISHAUSER?
    Either way, non-Germans have NO business there!

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  29. i honestly believe, that with all the distrust in the IDC and their chairperson and committee, that the dobermann breed, if it is to be revived, needs a completely new start and a break away dobermann club should be started.

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  30. my comments will be deleted. how pathetic

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  31. You certainly are. You have your own website and forum, stay there.

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  32. really? what is the this. that makes this blog, absurd!

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  33. yes, as in the stasi . unpopular truths to be heard does not like. but unfortunately we can not talk the problems away.

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  34. Mr Dobermann-verein-ev.de:
    You have your own forum and website, and because nobody cares and you got little views, you then come here and ride and leach on this blog like a parasite. and now you say these things.. You are the same as Florin too.

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  35. yes, I have a page and a forum have made. an attempt to do something for the breed. what did you do? I mean other than crying anonymous

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  36. Dieter Hohl is the synonym of anonymous. He is nothing as a clueless freerider on this blog with no reputation who supports BYB`s. To found a meanigless forum without traffic is his only success.

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  37. People are signing the list that don't know Hans history or what happens inside DV. They only want Hans to approve of them and that is all that matters to them and this shows the extent of the problem with how DV is run because there is something wrong when stealing and corruption is happening and no one wants to complain in case the Big Dictator punishes them!

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  38. Yes it is a fact that Wiblishauser was not winning any popular vote for President of DV. He kicked everyone that is against him. He uses DV money like his own, to pay legal costs to keep critics out of DV. After winning court cases and getting kicked out again, they went away. These court cases cost tens of thousands of Euro. Where are the books showing this is what the money is being spent on??? He stacks the elections. DV puts all foreign memberships automatically into his voting bloc. The membership does not vote, only one representative allowed to vote from each Landessgruppe. It is easy to control a few people. A representatives that causes trouble against Wiblishauser gets kicked out of DV. Why do think the good German kennels have disappeared the last decades???? DV is full of ignorant pet breeders and Wiblishauser's Yes Men. Wiblishauser is using VDH/DV and IDC to make money for himself.He has control of the membership money, he takes the profits from Unser Dobermann magazine, his partner is running VDH/CACIB and DV shows as a private business etc.) He has created a big monopoly with no competition! It's not about the breed. The Dobermann world is being run by a Mafia! People on the front line know this and say it behind their hands but they do nothing as they are either benefiting from it or too afraid to stand against it in case they lose.

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  39. and again: Dieter Hohl is the synonym of anonymous. bla bla bla. Stupid talk again about my person. your life must be boring. poor man, you know nothing. I'm not important. do you can not help with info for the Doberman rescue or only you want crying, what a angry boy i am?

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  40. I'm not important.
    True words! You are not important, your forum is not important, your rants here are not important, you have nothing important to contribute.

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  41. Another point is, that the DV-Abteilungen (Clubs) are not registred Clubs. They physically belong to the DV. So, when a Club decides to close or to leave the DV the assets of the club will be claimed by the DV.
    This is another pressure tool.
    Just imagine you have spent the half time of your life to run a club and at least because of "misunderstandings" such a club decides to switch to DVG, for example, then the DV vultures are sitting in the trees in front of your club.
    But it is a one-way-street, the DV will not be liable for debits of the clubs.
    This web of corruption is invisible but everywhere.

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  42. I have one qeustion for Germans: just how many members does DV have?
    I mean if there are cca. 400 signatures on that Nazi list, does that mean majority or minority?

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