Thursday, January 19, 2012

Und Der Zuchtobmann ist?

 CLUBS  IDC 


Let us look at an important office of the IDC and even DV - the role of the
BREED WARDEN [ Hauptzuchtwart or Zuchtobmann ]

What is this position actually? Why is there no written description of this for the Dobermann? How come there is nothing on their website or on any literature on the roles and functions of this office... held by Mr Norbert Daube? 

no.. not this kind of warden...

For all readers, since IDC does not share anything, as usual, we give give a simple description and explanation...

Every major canine club has a breed warden, usually a retired judge or experienced breeder. Best if he is a  Koermeister, someone who is knowledgeable in the areas of breeding and the standard and has real qualifications. This position requires someone who has been involved in breeding and training for a long time, has organized breed events, and has a deep knowledge and experience in all the areas of breeding. He is required to be available to the club membership to give advice on all matters concerning breeding, so that  IDC members with a Dobermanns can become high quality breeders.
Some of the duties of the breed warden also include the inspection and getting information for litters, checking on proper registrations and report to the DV/IDC registry. He is also responsible to report on  any substandard conditions and unregistered litters.

IDC Breed Warden is meant to supervise the international breeding of the Dobermann.  He safeguards proper breeding practices and ensures that all areas of activity are accurately recorded in the national Breed Books. He should guide the genetic selection through programs such as the ZTP and breeding evaluations.  He should record and analyze the results of such selections and make general statements that set the direction of the Dobermann breed program.

The Breed Warden must be a person of good character, trustworthy, and respected by the membership.  He or she must be a member in good standing himself and should have been a member for many years.  This person must have marked leadership qualities, be able to conduct him or herself with authority and professionalism, have good communication skills, and a proven record of breeding and understanding all aspects of the breed standard. Above all he is to defend the standard and the continuation of the breed success.

Consult the role of the Breed Warden in the other dog clubs - the SV, ADRK, ATIBOX, even the smaller non working breeds. They all relate the same points of this important position.


So, - Does Mr Daube qualify?

Lets ask who really is Herr Norbert Daube and where did he come from?

 Son of Wibli [ Le Fils de Wibli ]


Did he even have a kennel anyone today has had heard of and has he ever produced anything worth recording?

His 'kennel' called  "d. Russheide"  was actually his father's and they never bred anything significant. Yes, Daube did breed some dogs, and even own a few like son of Murphy v Hagenstern.. but nothing else really.. We can safely assume he has no real experience of breeding at the level he operates now..

Mr Daube has done nothing worth recording in the breed.

Nobody really knew who he was until Mr Wibli brought him out of nowhere and nominated him as the Breed Warden. Why? Simple - he is somebody who will never say NEIN to his boss. Daube was chosen and made Breed Warden without consulting anyone else.

Perhaps  Hans finally realized he couldn’t take on ALL the titles of the Executive himself and so he secured the politically influential positions by putting his uncritical cronies into them.

Wiblihauser actually made Daube the Breed Warden after Hensel finally retired. Hensel was supposed to retire at 70 years of age as per the rules, but Hans gave him a special exemption because Hensel was a becoming senile and his biggest talent was agreeing with everything Hans wanted. Like Daube, he also also had bred nothing of significance. So, there is precedence for this role - only open to the untalented and insignificant.

Disturbingly, at the time Daube was made breed warden ... he was not even a ZTP judge!  (which according to the DV constitution, is a basic prerequisite to this job.) So, Wibli takes him around to some of the ZTP he judges, and says Ok now you are experinced and qualified to judge your own ZTPs! Of course,  all done with no consultation to the judges panel or anyone else...


Norbert Daube knows as much about Dobermanns as your milkman...
 (In fact, The milkman might know more, because he has been probably bitten or chased by a Dobermann.)
yes its true....

He's done nothing and achieved nothing and no body had even heard of him until, from out of the blue he was a new specialist judge! If you really want to test him.. go organize a seminar after your show, open to the floor for members to ask questions on the breed, etc. You will see for yourself his capabilities, experience and knowledge...


 So, tell us too Mr Daube, IDC Breed Warden... 

    Where were you to defend the Dobermann's cropped ears and docked tails?
    Where are you when there is much guidance needed for the breed's health?
    What is your advise, or statement on DCM, DNA, ZTP, etc?
    What are you doing to protect the breed and improve it?
    What are you doing about the proposed changes to the breed standard?
    What do you really do at all?


Thank you for reporting on litters and some breeding statistics each year at the IDC Congress, and whatever little you do in your esteemed position.  But beyond that... Are you capable of being a Breed Warden? Do you fit the role and requirements?

Frankly speaking.. even the IDC Treasurer Mr Roland Beunekens will make a MUCH better Breed Warden... having bred significant dogs and having better knowledge of the breed!

**********************

And here we want to make an important point. IDC is complaining of dishonest breeders who cheat on pedigree and litter registrations. They say this is becoming a huge problem and the end of its tolerance is arrived and harsh measures need to be taken...


Hey, Daube -  IF YOU DID YOUR JOB AS IDC BREED WARDEN, WOULD THERE EVEN BE SUCH A PROBLEM? 



Since we are speaking of breed wardens.....

Let us even pose the same to the  Working Warden/Leistungsobmann,  our friend Herr Rainer Friedrich... another 'International Man of Mystery'

Im groovy Baby....
What working experience do you really have? Where are your qualifications and resume? All we know of Daube also applies to you - unknown and suddenly becomes the IDC Working Warden.. on what basis please? Because you are German and good friend of the President?


So what happens now is obvious - the DV has made a mockery out of the whole organization, as these unqualified and unknown nobodies were elevated to a level beyond their experience, knowledge and capacities.  Is there even a need for such an office since it is made redundant  by such men? Is it in the end just another tool of Wiblihauser?


Read again what is true role of a breed warden.. now compare to what you know [or actually dont know] of these men... and ask yourself... are you not worried for the Dobermann breed?  We surely are...

Perhaps Mr Daube is better as a Traffic Warden?.. and he can help Frau Inge direct traffic for her club!



You be the Judge.

29 comments:

  1. Very good post. Something we are think about. And if Daube did his duty, there will be less problems now. Its all part of one man show for power, and he keeps such people in this office.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The only real qualification that Daube had before Wiblishauser granted him a license as a DV "specialist" judge was that Daube had stewarded at some dog shows. No one had heard of him or his kennel! Neither Daube or his father ever bred a dog worth talking about and Wiblishauser never asked anyone what they thought about having a big nobody licensed as a specialist judge. Wiblishauser just got Daube's license rubber stamped by his faithful Hensel who was an old man that should have retired years earlier according to DV's own rules. But Wiblishauser kept Hensel around because he did what he was told and until he could replace one useless Chief Breed Warden with another.

      Delete
  2. Just great! So we have something called INTERNATIONAL club with GERMANS being on key positions: President (owner?), Breed Warden and Work Warden and this Austrian fella from South Africa being secretary!!! They could have at least employ some blonde bombshell for the latter position.
    Anyways what's so international about it?! If I am not wrong this guy Hans is ruling IDC for decades now. Don't you all think the time has come for his retirement? It's either that or IDC is his private club in which case you guys are all suckers!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Blonde bombshell would be great. Instead we have the Fat Ass daughter of Redtenbacher!!!!! She is good with "papers" tho

      Delete
  3. Well, I always knew Daube is a puppet. Not that bad judge, if there is no pressure on him, but otherwise, a real prick. Hm, I didnt research any histoty on him (breeding carrier) but I knew he was not a big league breeder. And I know in nowdays I trust only one german judge.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. When Daube first went to Indonesia to judge the Indonesians were complaining that he was the WORST judge they had ever had. They said that the breeders could not engage him in a knowledgeable discussion about the breed because he couldn't answer their questions or even talk sensibly about the breed on the same level as the people asking him the questions. He had nothing of say of any interest or qualification. That all in all Daube was a BIG disappointment as representative of DV Chief Breed Warden and the Indonesians reported he not only ignorant but was also very arrogant.

      Delete
    2. Hello everyone. This is true story. We from Indonesia remember this. Daube was big dissapointment for many. We were surprised he knew less than our locals. He also did not know how high our quality is, and about our old bloodlines.
      We also invited Becht recently, as he also became another Daube. He announced to all that Dobermann will not be cropped and docked anymore. We just laughed.. Thank you for all this information of the Insider. It is very good for those of us who are far away.

      Delete
    3. As long as these crooks and opportunists are running DV, STOP INVITING DV JUDGES! Do you really want to pay a lot of money to be insulted and patronized and have your dogs judged by someone that knows LESS than the milkman (the one who had been bitten by a Dobermann once) about the breed?

      Delete
  4. Daube was the DUPE that Wibbs sent to America time after time to judge at Zorzie's ZTP's and shows. A roll Daube gladly accepted
    for the free trips, good food and airline miles.
    The victims were the people that entered thinking they were going to get a good/fair evaluation of their dogs.
    Their score books meaningless and worthless.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Safari in South Africa soon. Let us see what Daube does

      Delete
    2. American friends tell a funny story about Daube going to the USA. Apparently the Americans wanted to have OTTMAR VOGEL come and judge (not Daube.) Ottmar Vogel was DV's resident expert on evaluating character in Dobermanns. (He was the person that introduced DV's compulsory ZTP and the requirement for having working titles on winners. Wiblishauser was originally against having this as policy but the big irony is now Wiblishauser WANTS to force everyone to have a German ZTP - but not for the betterment of the breed but so he can control people. He controls his hand picked judges of the ZTP and that way he has a big stick to threaten the Dobermann population with, who want to attend shows!) The American club was interested in having German Judges to show them the way to improving the character. The Americans wanted Vogel and Wiblishauser sent them Daube! The joke is that is that it was Wiblishauser that stopped Vogel going to the USA and he used VDH to to send a letter saying Vogel did not have any clearance to Judge in the USA based on the fact that the IDC's American member clubs are NOT recognized by the American Kennel Club and therefore are not recognized by FCI. (FCI/VDH judges are NOT allowed to judge in non-affiliated "black" clubs and the American clubs are just one of a number of IDC clubs that are not affiliated to FCI.) The hypocrical end of the story is that Wiblishauser got Vogel's invitation trashed by using VDH as the big stick and then he turned around and gave Daube DV's permission to take Vogel's place and judge the American event! Did the American's get a good deal? NO. This club (United Doberman Club) was persecuted by Wiblishauser for not being undemocratic enough. Instead the club Wiblishauser preferences for representing America at the IDC is Roberto Zorzi's Club (consisting mainly of Zorzi's dogs which are then judged by Zorzi himself - who is also allowed to be DV's American "ZTP" judge as well! Judging his own dogs, just like his Master.) Wiblishauser likes Roberto a lot because he another uncritical minion with no ethics or shame. Zorzi has as bad a reputation as a big crook in the USA dog world as Wiblishauser and his gang of Yes Men have in the Dobermann world in Europe. Birds of a feather flock together! (Show me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.)

      Delete
  5. Daube. Hmmm.Without offensing him he knows dobermanns as I know sheeps. Do not ask him about pedigrees and dogs, you will not get from him any answer : because he do not know anything about dogs from past and present. But usually he do not make politics in judging (as I know) and it is good in a bad dobermann world

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. He placed Athos for No 1 place! AND Athos was not the only male there at that show. Take a look at his judging -

      Delete
    2. So exactly like the above person stated: " he knows dobermanns as I know sheeps".
      Does this athos need to be single male to win under other judges that actually KNOW the BREED STANDARD, and doesn`t get told what dog to place where, but decide of their own free will?

      Delete
    3. Daube would make a better sheep judge as he probably has one as a girlfriend. How can anyone say he is "not political" when the only reason he is a DV judge is because he was a political appointment not because he knew anything about Dobermanns. He's just another one of these dumb wannabes that Wiblishauser picks up for cheap price and puts in his shopping cart.

      Delete
  6. I repeat, the only problem is Mr. Wiblishauser, he does not want at his side, competent persons of the breed Dobermann, as Vogel and Kollemberg, they can uffuscare his image as a Kapo!!!
    For Mr. Wiblishauser, it is best to have at his side, ghosts faithfuls as Daube,Friedrich etc...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I think they have no real options. It's more like "my way or highway"! Otherwise I do not find them as annoying.

      Delete
  7. ... if you asked 8 years mr. daube to who you should breed your female, his answer was (no matter which pedigree your female had) go to wanja wandor van stevinhage, then you can sell your puppies well... simply nothing to add to this artice. thruth hurts and mr. daube should be crying all day.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. when you ask a person who knows nothing to answer a question and get nothing of worth as an answer then you should not be surprised

      Delete
  8. Sincerilly I prefer uncropped and undocked dog.......but in the show specially in italy they prefer docked and cropped dog!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Of course! That's the original Dobermann!

      Delete
    2. Anyone that PREFERS a Dobermann uncropped and undocked should own a hound. Dobermann is a guard dog breed and the look should intimidate strangers and not invite them to give it a pat.

      Delete
  9. Well its a preference so why cant you choose what you wanat instead of being told what you have to do

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Oh, but he is the high ranking 'Breed Warden'.... so much for protecting the breed and selecting what is to be bred from. He is single hand one big reason for decline in quality, especially in Germany! Daube - step down please.

      Delete
    2. Daube is just a puppet of Wibli and they both should step down because of the damage they have done between them. Not that they ever will and unless they annoy the Russian Mafia and they get poisoned (sadly unlikely) we'll all have to wait till they finally die from natural causes because Dobermann breeders complain a lot but they won't do anything to get them out because the strength of character they want in their dogs they haven't got themselves.

      Delete
  10. so you prefer Angus di Prisconte, because is a OLD TYPE near Auron Aquila v Resideschloss because he have ears and tail?? Are you blind?? Or only stupid?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Nobody prefers Angus di Prisconte, beleive me!

      Delete
  11. It is noted that Mr Daube is judging Dobermanns at Birmingham UK in May

    ReplyDelete
  12. Daube in the UK
    No doubt that Daube the dumb is busy looking for a catalog
    and and making his selections NOW.

    ReplyDelete