Sunday, January 15, 2012

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 CLUBS  USA - ADA 
  Mask of Zor...zi  
So it seems not only our friends in Europe have to suffer from DV domination, but at least one other club in USA too.. What has happended in South Africa and elsewhere, was copied to America thanks to DV servant and copycat, Mr Roberto Zorzi.

Let us inform you a little about this man, who comes to IDC Congress every year to proclaim himself as representative of the US Dobermann family.

This is a man who is just like his idol, Redtenbacher. Has problems with other Dobermann clubs, so goes to form one himself, mostly with members who bought his breeding. And suddenly we have the American Dobermann Association.. with him as President for life [hey, just like Boss Wibli!] Then he has good old Wibli to make him delegate and official member of IDC. Funny how so many clubs which are not official, or self made, become IDC members. Isnt that nice? Be good friends with Wibli, copy his style and make your own club.



Zorzi is no dog trainer, he has never personally trained and trial a Dobermann to Shutzhund titles. Much lIke the other DV gang members. Yes, go check on the history of them all..We all know Wiblishauser gave both Pezzano and Roberto Zorzi a license to judge DV accepted titles when they are not qualified. But there is no record of this Italian living in America having a ZTP licence. Can anyone show it to us?

So, Zorzi should never be near a ZTP.  Yet, Also three years ago he was holding a seminar and ZTP in Florida and the judge was who else but our good old 'breed warden' and non working trainer Mr Daube. But this time, Mr Daube did not arrive.. [ maybe caught in traffic jam in Austria ] So, our Zorzi officiated the ZTP and the show. The scores were sent into DV and recorded as official!  Zorzi ignored the complaints from everyone else, and the club holding event said nothing but the next year they sent in a letter telling the ADA that they were no longer a chapter club. No wonder now the club itself is a joke now. And American ZTP?

Zorzi has changed his kennel name at least three times to keep ahead of being disbarred from Kennel Clubs and to continue breeding. It is well known that In Italy, his apartment was full of Neo-Nazi paraphenalia and then when he went to the USA he was suddenly a Minister of God. He has also been involved in fixing HD scores of dogs in Italy and was caught. He sold a female which had 2 litters and claimed it was a maiden.

But personal flaws and corruption aside, we are appalled this is the man chosen or self selected to represent USA interests in the IDC. And for very obvious reasons. Zorzi is truly like the American Redtenbacher.  Both could switch countries and no one would know the difference. Wibli  recognizes both these guys because they are uncritical and do things how he wants and in return they are rewarded by favors and recognition. Sounds familiar?

And now, just look at the ADA web site and you will find nothing from 2011 and no events planned for this year. Perhaps the members have woken up and finally turned on Roberto and the club is failure due to lack of support. Mr Zorzi, not everywhere is the same as Germany or Italy. Some countries require some from of democracy, club registry, transparency and proper qualifications. Please, dont think to speak for a club that doesnt exist except for your own ego and breeding. But you are certainly a good copier machine.

Another prime example of what the DC and IDC encourages and supports. So we ask you now, what kind of organization is the IDC with such people being favoured by President Wiblishauser?


You be the judge...



37 comments:

  1. How can IDC recognize two Clubs from the same country as the official IDC affiliate.
    For many years there was the American Dobermann Association and the United Dobermann Club.
    Both in and operating in America. UDC is a very small poorly run club with aspirations of becoming
    more like ADA. I am wondering if DV/IDC was placating both clubs just for the money.

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    1. It is not lonesome case. Czech (MSDK and DKSR) and Mexico (AztecaDobermann Club and Dobermann Club de Mexico ) both have two separate affiliated clubs.

      The question remains, why the local country clubs (at least in Europe) have to be recognized by local Kennel Club and therefore by FCI in order to join IDC?

      One of the answers would be: that way Herr Wiblishauser can control them on two fronts, via FCI and via IDC (plus DV).

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  2. is a small problem does not know the truth of what happens in America will UDC American Doberman standard. This organization does not have to be a member of the IDC, does not recognize the FCI standard.

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  3. the erroneous information you have to laKansa Quality Dobermans
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    www.kansadobe.com -. idiot that mounted a bitch with 2 males Fedora and ZEDOR last year. you need another idiot that this is Doug Matson 3 years comes to council IDC and I lick your ass on bosses.

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  4. Florin.
    Doug Matson has poor quality Dobermanns and did the two sire
    mating just to bring attention to himself. This type of behavior is common in America. There is no one there to tell these Twits
    to stop. America has a free-for-all breeding system. If I used
    Fedor just about now I would be kicking my self in the Arse
    He got what he deserved.

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  5. The ADA is a joke and a way to fatten pockets of Roberto Zorzi, They take your membership fee's and provide you with nothing. I myself was a member and since joining have never had the chance to go to a ZTP or a CAC show with my dogs. Several phone calls to the ADA office and never a phone call returned. They take your money and run.

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    1. Same as DV and IDC! Take money take money -GIVE NADA. Big Chiefs tell us where the money is and what you use it for

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  6. Yes, ADA is a big joke and probably out of business.
    United Doberman Club was a even bigger joke. At one time they
    were following three different standards at the same time.

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    1. I still think that the UDC is a Joke. Again another club that caters to a select group of people within the organization. When my membership is up with the UDC I will not join again. Its all the same people who win and its always held in the East Coast. I guess I gave my donation to Zorzi's retirement fund. BOO to both these wanna be club !!

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    2. Why don't you guys get together and start a new national Dobermann club?

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  7. Mr. Zorzi is obviously touched by the article. LOL


    2012-01-15 08:49 • IP: 67.159.5.242 • from United States 2 positive reactions 0 negative

    Is it not sad, that someone make a homepage like this ...

    "inside-dobermann"

    1. What will this someone change with this ... ??

    2. Why write this someone things without proofs??

    3. Why is this someone anonymous??

    4. ....


    WHEN SOMEONE STARTS TO CHANGE??

    I never see someone who build something with shit.

    Everyone is asked to change something, but not with shit.


    Have a nice day
    BIG M

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    1. Now this is hilarious: a guy behind this comment on DR chatboard is using "hide my ass" proxy in order to stay anonymous.

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  8. that is your opinion and what we do in North America where the FCI standard is not recognized. I really want that and we who love Europe Dobermann line we can go in competition. it is time that our voices be heard. Only united we can achieve this goal.

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    1. I have to agree with you 100% No where in North America, European line Dobermann have a good place where we can exhibit our dogs. The ADA was the correct idea but was carried out in the wrong fashion.

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  9. do not know personally Roberto Z. Many years ago we saluted ll expoxitii something in Italy. I think he did what was able as a new immigrant in America. prsonal I congratulate for having had the courage to infinite ADA where this organization are promoted only Dobermann representing FCI standard. do not know other details. And I think if he wants to be chief for life he knows why. in amerca are many who claim to know the FCI standard. I have not seen any so far. I do not want to offend my friends in the north amerca, yes I know the standard, only from dogs eurpeni photographers. and the discussions on the internet. so please ending with that crap.

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  10. This is an extract from the INTERNATIONAL DOBERMANN CLUB ORDER OF BUSINESS

    3. All Clubs, representing the Dobermann Breed and affiliated to the relevant canine umbrella body of their own country, can and should join the IDC. The rules and regulations of the relevant umbrella body, which governs such Clubs, should not be infringed upon. Clubs, which are not yet affiliated to an FCI recognized umbrella body, are encouraged to strive seriously for such affiliation.

    9. Every Member Club has a right to submit proposals.

    13. Every represented member country has two (2) votes. If a country is represented by more than one (1) Club, then the voting right is split.

    15. A Member Club of the IDC can be dismissed from the organisation if guilty of serious misdemeanours which bring the IDC into disrepute or by gross transgressions of the IDC ‘order of business’. The elimination or resignation of an IDC Member Club from an FCI associated umbrella body or Kennel Club does not necessarily mean the loss of IDC Membership for such a Club.
    However, an FCI associated umbrella body or Kennel Club can apply to the IDC for the exclusion of a Club, provided that they can prove that the Club in question committed a serious breach with regard to Breed Regulations or FCI rules. In all such cases a 2/3 majority of the IDC Congress shall decide. The same applies to countries which are not full FCI members but are only associated to the FCI.

    16. The IDC can be dissolved if 3/4 of the Member Clubs are in favour.

    Technically changes CAN be made to the IDC if there are enough clubs and representatives willing to stick their necks out and stage a coup!!

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    1. "16. The IDC can be dissolved if 3/4 of the Member Clubs are in favour."

      So what are we waiting for - let's dissolve it!!!

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  11. The ZTP and show, which Zorzi conducted in Florida, actually happend in 2003. The judge that didn't show up was "Wiebleshause" - he was in South Africa instead.

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    1. On Safari with Redtenbacher and friends

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    2. Wibbi was not our scheduled judge, but rather gave Zorzi permission to be the judge over the telephone when Daube did not show. Also, we did not drop our membership, but were told we were never a 'proper' club by Mr Zorzi. I think his male ego had a serious problem with females being in office. Mr Zorzi refused to acknowledge any questions directed at him, would call the club president in the middle of the night yelling and swearing, and was a rude ASS to all involved. I fear for our breed here in the US when left in the hands of the ADA, UDC and DPCA....

      D. Bruno

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  12. enjoyable dreams. you who is afraid to publish his name. make revolution at IDC. I can not stop laughing

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    1. My name is Niculescu, Florin Niculescu.

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  13. You dream to be like me. ha ha ha ha

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    1. Who is dreaming about beeing like you? A fat, old man nobody likes? Thanks but no thanks.
      Go look in a mirror before saying things like that, and enjoy your own side of the pond. All are happy you and your big stupid mouth is far away from europe.
      This you know.

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  14. IDC has not to be dissolved but changed from roots starting with it's order of business

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  15. If the 4 die in a plane crash, maybe then you will have the courage to speak. until then, preparatory languages for them to lick, ass on your masters (bosses) IDC.

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  16. do not bet on this

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  17. Who are the replacements? Bitten idiot in Finland and Valencia. crazy in Romania. be seroisi people. I like comedies.

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    1. I'd vote for you Florin. I think you'd be best possible replacement for them :)

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    2. ...because, you know what they say, "ain't no replacement for the displacement".

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    3. Thanks but I did not blend in.-m. are not interested in leading a lot of crazy. I am too harsh. only those who have no professional satisfaction are interested in new titles. . I am not so familiar with, this function trebuieste to have a qualified staff. to me there would be a total disaster. know what I can do in life and what not to do. . I am an honest man and I do not need headaches.

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  18. Florin
    Are you saying that you are an honest Gypsy.
    Sorry, by nature a Gypsy can not be honest.

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  19. ha ha ha better gypsy. than rats with no name as you (Anonymous)

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    1. ahaha, shudd up Dacia boy...and back to polishing.

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    2. Any idiot can sign in as Florin Niculescu and insult others with his lousy English.

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  20. Nicolae CeaușescuJanuary 23, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Florin opri redarea şi să se întoarcă la garaj - masinile sunt murdare

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  21. you back from Italy. Take good licking in the ass on the judges? make me laugh, slaves

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